Tuesday, May 08, 2007

Does God depend on us to believe in his existence?

SHARING: In the spirit of sharing the work of another, I am passing along a poem written in 2001 by Joyce Gedeon. It carries her copyright, so don't use it without her permission (she did give me permission to use it here). Should you want to reach her, e-mail: joy_zhel@yahoo.com .


In this moment eternal love wipes the tears of the past
from your grief filled eyes

In this moment eternal love sings a lullaby in the midst
of chaos

In this moment eternal love whispers timeless wisdom
clearing the clouds of illusion from the mind of
the universal soul

In this moment eternal love embraces the soul cradling all
in the heart of the one

In this moment eternal love opens the doorway to a future
free of fear, lack, and separation

In this moment eternal love reflects the divine light of
boundless creation

In this moment, as in all moments, eternal love is the
embodiment of the one heart beating through all

In this moment be at peace, be at one, be eternal love

QUESTION: "Does God depend on us to believe in his existence?

"Some people I have talked with say it is the other way around. That God depends on US for his existence and with US, God would be nothing.

"Here is what an individual basically says: 'You think we depend on god for our existence and our beliefs? Absolutely not. He depends on us for HIS existence. Without us, humans, and other creation of HIS, how would he exist? alone? To whom would he give orders and show off, to himself? That will be pretty boring wouldn't it?'

"Somehow, PMH, I have a real problem with what these individuals say. I believe that God does not depend on us to believe in Him. Why would God need to depend on us?

"Could you please help me out with an elaboration. I need all the information I can get about God. Thank you.".......Rhiannon

ANSWER: Rhiannon, there is no evidence or testimony in near-death studies that I am acquainted with that says God needs us for God's existence. Quite the other way around. The vast majority of experiencers, adult or child, come back absolutely convinced, knowing, not only that God exists, but that God is the Supreme Creator of all that exists and all that ever will exist. And they know that God is One - not two, not a version for each religion, not a representative symbol, not some psychological ploy or trick we are playing on ourselves, not an extension of our psyches, neither myth nor imagination.

An interesting twist, though, from traditional views is that most experiencers discover they are one with The One, that there's really no boundary or division or separation between them and God. They say we are in God, from God, with God, as God - in potential and in possibility and in the light we are formed from and exist within. Some note in utter wonderment that it seems as if God is evolving, too, not just us - that in some unique and unfathomable way, God becomes more of Itself as we become more of ourselves, that as we awaken to who we really are, God is nourished, extended, enlarged. In other words, at some level, God grows as we grow. God never changes in the Reality of Its Existence, yet God ever changes in the substance and makeup of what It experiences through the experience of creation experiencing itself. None comment on God "needing" us (the creations of The One), but, rather, that God, through us, is nourished by the many facets of creation.....as if God were us and we were God via the act of being/doing. You can get a sense of how this could be true if you read my book, "Future Memory." Look for that section that explains the difference between actual and virtual electrons. I believe it is around page 206. If you can understand the picture I "paint" for you by making this comparison, you will then have some grasp of what many near-death experiencers and those like them come to know.

By the way, one of the first thoughts/notions abandoned after a near-death experience (or similar transformation of consciousness) is the need to call God a "father, he, or him" or a "mother, she or her." Gender quickly dissolves once you attune more to Presence.

I hope this helps - at least somewhat. No one really knows for certain about Deity; still, the testimony of so many thousands of adult and child experiencers of near-death states certainly causes one to pay attention to what they have to say. Blessings, PMH