DMT, Good, and Evil
QUESTION
“At the age of 17, I went to a local festival near a range of mountains (Prescott Mountains) which are named after different angels. One of my friends came up to me and offered me a pipe of Di-Meth-Yl-Tryptamine (DMT) in its purest form. I had no idea what it would do to me at the time. But I slowly inhaled it in, and held my breath. Before I knew it the world around me began to spiral around and my whole vision seemed to merge together and then it felt as if I was going around the tent, which I was staying in, at a million miles an hour; and then I had loads of frames like a load of photos of different things going through my mind. Next it merged into a spiral of different shapes and colours with a very bright light shaped like a star with 3 points. The light was in the centre of this ever-lasting multi-coloured spiral of bliss. As I got to a certain point I saw a set of clouds come out of no-where and a guy with curly hair, round sort of face, popped out from the clouds, and we/I shook hands, and we were laughing and laughing together. As suddenly, I was taken back into the spiral again and went further up. This time I arrived at what seemed to be a planet of mountains, loads of mountains, but with no life, just brown mountains, and I was alone looking amongst them. At this point I was asking myself, ‘Am I dead,’ and at that point I thought I was dead but accepted the fact I was dead. I was taken further up this spiral to eventually be in a void of light and energy. Dark violet. Blue. Black in colour and there was a Buddha. His appearance was dark blue/violet, so hard to describe as he was made of light or energy himself. It looked so much more real than this world we live in, like it was another dimension - but he had black marks on his face. Then he sent me back to my body here on earth. It all happened in about half an hour. But it was an extraordinary experience. I have read another report where someone has seen the same Buddha, so it seems to be no coincidence. It’s all real. I think that’s all I can say. Just to let you know I wasn’t a Buddhist when I experienced this, but have always had a really open mind.”....Lewis
ANSWER
Lewis, DMT is a very strong drug and should only be taken within the context of group therapy or group work, with elders or trained staff present. It should never be taken alone, or by someone who has no idea of what might transpire. You had an incredible experience and a valid one in the sense of what you saw. But that experience you had is not the challenge. The challenge comes afterwards, with the aftereffects, and there are aftereffects. And they can become permanent. Please read my book Near-Death Experiences: The Rest of The Story. In the second half of the book I talk about DMT, both pro and con. Throughout the book, however, I go in-depth about the physiological and psychological aftereffects of any type of “threshold” experience - which is what a near-death state is, and what a DMT episode can be (but seldom is). Please educate yourself about the aftereffects. Great experiences are great experiences. But they do not end, when they end. Our entire body/mind complex can become forever altered by them. Be careful, friend. That old adage is still true: “All that glitters is not gold.” Blessings, PMH
QUESTION
“Hello, I’ve been wanting to do some research regarding the effects of people who, in their negative NDE, have seen Satan and how or if that has changed them. Does Satan continue to manipulate them on earth? Does seeing Satan have the same effects (negative) on them as seeing Jesus or God (positive)? I know a woman who has seen Satan in her near-death experience. Any guidance you can offer is greatly appreciated.”....Sharon
ANSWER
First of all, let’s dispense with using words and concepts like “negative” or “positive.” Both are judgmental terms that do not define the territory. I learned long ago that it is the individual’s assessment of what was experienced that counts, not what I might want to call it. Most researchers today use terms like “pleasant,” “comfortable,” “radiant” to depict the more uplifting near-death episodes; and terms like “unpleasant,” “frightening,” “distressing” to depict the opposite type.
I haven’t encountered that many who actually met or spoke with Satan, although in The Big Book of Near-Death Experiences, pages 29-31, you will find both story and drawings of a six-year-old who met the Devil. It took years for him to quit having nightmares about this. Words like devil and demon were much more commonly used by experiencers in my research base. Seldom did I run across people who used the term “Satan.” Remember, in my research one out of seven had what I call the unpleasant or hellish experience. Many times I heard of people having nightmares afterward - in a few cases the demon or devil figure physically manifested days or even months afterward. Eventually the majority were able to move past their emotional fright. I did find an interesting side-effect to these cases, though. Half of those who reported having an unpleasant or hellish experience were unable to find a way to either integrate their experience in a positive way or learn from it. These same people displayed excessive nervousness afterward and more health problems than one might assume for their lifestyle and age. Of those who did learn from their episode and found beneficial ways to process it, they had fewer health problems in the years that followed and seemed more philosophical and peaceful. Blessings, PMH
“At the age of 17, I went to a local festival near a range of mountains (Prescott Mountains) which are named after different angels. One of my friends came up to me and offered me a pipe of Di-Meth-Yl-Tryptamine (DMT) in its purest form. I had no idea what it would do to me at the time. But I slowly inhaled it in, and held my breath. Before I knew it the world around me began to spiral around and my whole vision seemed to merge together and then it felt as if I was going around the tent, which I was staying in, at a million miles an hour; and then I had loads of frames like a load of photos of different things going through my mind. Next it merged into a spiral of different shapes and colours with a very bright light shaped like a star with 3 points. The light was in the centre of this ever-lasting multi-coloured spiral of bliss. As I got to a certain point I saw a set of clouds come out of no-where and a guy with curly hair, round sort of face, popped out from the clouds, and we/I shook hands, and we were laughing and laughing together. As suddenly, I was taken back into the spiral again and went further up. This time I arrived at what seemed to be a planet of mountains, loads of mountains, but with no life, just brown mountains, and I was alone looking amongst them. At this point I was asking myself, ‘Am I dead,’ and at that point I thought I was dead but accepted the fact I was dead. I was taken further up this spiral to eventually be in a void of light and energy. Dark violet. Blue. Black in colour and there was a Buddha. His appearance was dark blue/violet, so hard to describe as he was made of light or energy himself. It looked so much more real than this world we live in, like it was another dimension - but he had black marks on his face. Then he sent me back to my body here on earth. It all happened in about half an hour. But it was an extraordinary experience. I have read another report where someone has seen the same Buddha, so it seems to be no coincidence. It’s all real. I think that’s all I can say. Just to let you know I wasn’t a Buddhist when I experienced this, but have always had a really open mind.”....Lewis
ANSWER
Lewis, DMT is a very strong drug and should only be taken within the context of group therapy or group work, with elders or trained staff present. It should never be taken alone, or by someone who has no idea of what might transpire. You had an incredible experience and a valid one in the sense of what you saw. But that experience you had is not the challenge. The challenge comes afterwards, with the aftereffects, and there are aftereffects. And they can become permanent. Please read my book Near-Death Experiences: The Rest of The Story. In the second half of the book I talk about DMT, both pro and con. Throughout the book, however, I go in-depth about the physiological and psychological aftereffects of any type of “threshold” experience - which is what a near-death state is, and what a DMT episode can be (but seldom is). Please educate yourself about the aftereffects. Great experiences are great experiences. But they do not end, when they end. Our entire body/mind complex can become forever altered by them. Be careful, friend. That old adage is still true: “All that glitters is not gold.” Blessings, PMH
QUESTION
“Hello, I’ve been wanting to do some research regarding the effects of people who, in their negative NDE, have seen Satan and how or if that has changed them. Does Satan continue to manipulate them on earth? Does seeing Satan have the same effects (negative) on them as seeing Jesus or God (positive)? I know a woman who has seen Satan in her near-death experience. Any guidance you can offer is greatly appreciated.”....Sharon
ANSWER
First of all, let’s dispense with using words and concepts like “negative” or “positive.” Both are judgmental terms that do not define the territory. I learned long ago that it is the individual’s assessment of what was experienced that counts, not what I might want to call it. Most researchers today use terms like “pleasant,” “comfortable,” “radiant” to depict the more uplifting near-death episodes; and terms like “unpleasant,” “frightening,” “distressing” to depict the opposite type.
I haven’t encountered that many who actually met or spoke with Satan, although in The Big Book of Near-Death Experiences, pages 29-31, you will find both story and drawings of a six-year-old who met the Devil. It took years for him to quit having nightmares about this. Words like devil and demon were much more commonly used by experiencers in my research base. Seldom did I run across people who used the term “Satan.” Remember, in my research one out of seven had what I call the unpleasant or hellish experience. Many times I heard of people having nightmares afterward - in a few cases the demon or devil figure physically manifested days or even months afterward. Eventually the majority were able to move past their emotional fright. I did find an interesting side-effect to these cases, though. Half of those who reported having an unpleasant or hellish experience were unable to find a way to either integrate their experience in a positive way or learn from it. These same people displayed excessive nervousness afterward and more health problems than one might assume for their lifestyle and age. Of those who did learn from their episode and found beneficial ways to process it, they had fewer health problems in the years that followed and seemed more philosophical and peaceful. Blessings, PMH
posted by PMH @ 12:32 AM
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2 Comments:
Dear Dr. Atwater,
Thank you for your work.
I cannot tell you how disturbed I am by these distressing NDE accounts. But what bothers me above all, is that we cannot seem to find a correlation between how a person lives (meaning good or bad behavior) and whether they have a heavenly or distressing NDE. It crushes me to think of this poor 6 year old enduring the horrific experience of a hellish NDE. Why, oh why would the universe be so cruel?
I realize that in the context of the limited knowledge we have here on earth, this may be a meaningless question. But I have an incredibly hard time accepting it -- not the hellish NDEs themselves but the fact that they can happen to "good" people.
Anna
Good and evil lose their definitions when you study near-death cases. Whatever you might have thought to be true and consistent, simply isn't. Experiencers are puzzled by this too, at the time, that's why so many challenge the beings who come to them. Invariably, what they are shown answers their questions and what once seemed unfair takes on a whole different meaning in a whole different context.
What you are trying to do is to shove or fit near-death experiences and what comes of them into a mold fashioned by your logical mind and what you have been taught. Doesn't work. Our ideas of heaven and hell don't work, either.
What will make sense is when you get in the person's home and into their life and take a good look at how that moves, what it is, the forces present and the way the individual responded before they died compared with after they died. Big difference. And you see the worth of every type of scenario more as years pass and the individual deals with the pattern of physiological and psychological aftereffects. The idea of a good God or a bad God or a God that just doesn't seem to care, lose any luster or meaning. You find instead a much bigger, more incredible way of looking at things. That doesn't change what happened, but it does change how we deal with it and why. See attached chart of what I found after working with nearly 4,000 child and adult experiencers.
Read The Big Book of Near-Death Experiences. There are several hellish cases there of children. Each one proved helpful to the child as he or she grew. They learned from what happened to them. Was God cruel? Before you answer that, sit down with yourself and inventory what you believe or not believe about God Itself. Then ask yourself what you believe about humans. Is it them or the deeds they do? Would they have been different if they had been taught different? What makes a demon? Perhaps the answer is lack of love. Why would a child have a hellish experience? Well, that happens often in other countries, sometimes in the U.S. and Europe. How can we judge that? Who do we judge when that happens?
I am not asking you to forget about circumstances. Rather, I am asking you to lean back in your chair and open your heart to realities beyond what your mind thinks. Allow your heart to enlarge and grow and spread so it can begin to encompass realities beyond the black and white of the mind. There's more to life than what seems to be true. Just be open. And see what happens.
Blessings, PMH
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